Bruxy’s Fabricated Distinction: Following Jesus and Not the Bible

11008084_10155476277205221_1481710492527356584_nGod is the supreme and ultimate authority in all things. He is our creator, king, judge, and saviour. He has revealed Himself to all people in a certain way in nature and innately in our consciences and reasoning capabilities (Rom 1:18-23, 2:15), and more fully in the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments (2 Tim 3:16,17, 2 Pet 1:21) , and in Jesus Christ – the second person of the Trinity who became one of us (John 14:9, Heb 1:2). So, can God – possessor of all authority who is omnipotent, cannot lie, and cannot deny Himself – be separated in any degree from what He has said? For two millennia Christians have recognized that this is impossible. Unfortunately there are many who have tried to argue otherwise. Bruxy Cavey is one.

At the foundation of Bruxy’s theology is this idea that Christians ought not be people who center their faith on Scripture, but rather on Jesus Christ. He makes a distinction between following the Bible and following Jesus. He argues that Scripture is not our authority, but Jesus is (see here). He tells us that the Bible has many errors in it and so cannot be fully trusted, but Jesus is perfect and can be trusted. He even warns that following the Bible leads to bibliolotry, an idolatrous practice. This sounds like a Christ-honouring approach to some – but is it possible? Is it even coherent? Does it make sense to separate Jesus Christ from the Scriptures and give more authority to one over the other? I would argue that it is not.

If you truly follow the Bible you will follow Jesus

The Bible is our only source of truth concerning the person and work of Jesus Christ. The Bible reveals who Jesus is, what He did, and what significance it all has. The entirety of Scripture shows us Jesus. Paul told Timothy that the Old Testament Scriptures “are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.” (2 Timothy 3:14-15). Jesus rebuked the Pharisees because they didn’t believe in Him even though the Old Testament spoke of Him. He said “If you believed Moses you would believe me; for he wrote of me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?” (John 5:46-47). The same is true today, if you believe Moses and the other Scriptures, you will believe in Jesus Christ.

Jesus also claimed to be Jehovah, YHWH of the Old Testament. He gave Moses the Law on Sinai in which it was commanded that the people should have no other gods beside Him (Exodus 20:1-4). When Moses asked God in the burning bush what His name was God said to Moses “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.'” (Exodus 3:14). Jesus said “Before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58) and that unless a person believes this they will die in their sins (John 8:24). This is such an unmistakable claim on the lips of Christ that the Jews immediately picked up stones to stone Him for blasphemy. If someone follows the Bible they will worship the true God, Jesus Christ.

The Old Testament prophesied of the Messiah who would come to save His people and the New Testament Scriptures teaches that Jesus is that Messiah. Jesus is God Himself in human flesh come to save us. We are told he came, did many wonderful works, lived a sinless life, died on a cross and rose on the third day. The Scriptures explain the significance of the person, coming, dying, and rising of Jesus. They command us to follow Him and tell us what that looks like. If we obey Scripture, we will follow Jesus.

The Scriptures also claim that Jesus is their author! Jesus, as the second person of the Trinity, is in perfect union with the Father and Holy Spirit. The Scriptures claim for themselves divine origin – they are God-breathed (2 Tim 3:16), and they were written by men who were carried along by the Holy Spirit and not produced by the will of man (2 Peter 1:19-21). If God is the author of Scripture, and Jesus is God, then if you follow the Bible you ARE following Jesus.

The Scriptures, if believed and followed, will cause a person to follow Jesus Christ. Jesus said so Himself. If someone does not follow Christ, they cannot be said to be following Scripture.

To follow Jesus you must have His view of the Scriptures

During His earthly ministry Jesus spoke from, debated, and appealed to the Scriptures many times. We can determine from Scripture that Jesus had a particular view of Scripture. Jesus answered every temptation from Satan with “It is written” and quoted Scripture as true (Luke 4:8, 10, 11, 12). He said that Scripture was God speaking and held men centuries after it’s writing accountable to what it said (Matthew 19:3-6, 22:31-33). He settled entire arguments with the Jews by quoting Scripture. He told the Jews that they were wrong because they didn’t understand the Scriptures, meaning that if they had understood the Scriptures they would have been right (Matthew 22:29). He even spoke of the Old Testament stories as true historical events which held significance for those he was speaking to (Luke 11:29-32). You know what He never did? He never called anything in Scripture into question. He never told us how we could know what was true or false in Scripture. He never even hinted in the slightest that anything in Scripture was anything less than 100% true and authoritative.

In Jesus’ view the Scriptures are as good as the words coming straight from the mouth of God. If you want to follow Jesus, if you want to be like Him, you should have the same view. If someone has any lesser view of Scripture – say they think some of it is in error, obsolete, or actually gives an inaccurate picture of God’s character – they cannot be said to be following Jesus.

Conclusion

Bruxy wants us to believe that the Scriptures are some secondary authority with errors so we should follow Jesus, but Jesus did not have this view of Scripture. The truth is, if we follow the Bible, we will follow Jesus, and it is impossible to follow Jesus without following the Bible as God speaking and 100% authoritative.

Bruxy’s distinction between following Jesus or following the Scriptures is completely fabricated and incoherent. It creates a distinction where there is no difference, but he uses this distinction often-times to detract from and twist the clear teaching of Scripture (like this, and this). All that is accomplished by this approach is the creation of a confused view of the relationship between Jesus Christ and the Scriptures.

As soon as someone says they follow Jesus and not the Bible or vice-versa, they are following neither.

Bruxy’s Fabricated Distinction: Following Jesus and Not the Bible

13 thoughts on “Bruxy’s Fabricated Distinction: Following Jesus and Not the Bible

  1. You make statements like “He tells us that the Bible has many errors in it and so cannot be fully trusted, but Jesus is perfect and can be trusted.” but you don’t back them up with quotes or links to sermons or publications where Bruxy actually said those things. The only times you link to anything to support what you are saying the link is more of your own writing. That’s like recording yourself talking then playing it back and saying “wow, this guy makes sense”. I was hoping to read an intelligent piece with a different perspective but I did not find that here.

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    1. I have cited Bruxy making these statements in other articles I’ve written.

      Here is a collection of quotes from Bruxy’s teaching on the topic: https://onceforalldelivered.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/bruxyquotesscripture.pdf

      Also, here are a few links to material he’s produced where he addresses this.

      http://whchurch.org/sermons-media/sermon/the-word-of-god-in-print-and-in-person (This one in particular summarizes his view)

      http://www.themeetinghouse.com/teaching/archives/2016/inspired-how-god-speaks-through-scripture/part-3-the-shadow-the-substance-5849

      http://whchurch.org/sermons-media/other-media/qa/cross-centered-qna

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  2. Sadly your argument lacks chronological credibility. As you quote the New Testament accounts of Scripture… and the fact that Jesus debated and appealed to scripture… he was in fact speaking of the Old Testament NOT… as you illogically insinuate…. his own words. Nor were the apostles… when referring to the scriptures in their letters referring to their letters as scripture. If this is the basis of your argument…. you may want to rethink it. Furthermore…. i have never heard Bruxy state that the scripture is full of inaccuaracies and therefore we should discount it as you imply. Frankly… Bruxy always counsels Prayer Scripture and the Counsel of Others as the key to wisdom…. but always through the template of the life and teachings of Jesus…. Here is some scripture Matthew 23:24

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    1. Peter said Paul’s writings were Scripture (2 Peter 3:16) and Paul quoted Jesus’ words in Luke as Scripture (1 Timothy 5:18). The New Testament is just as much Scripture as the Old Testament.

      If you have never heard Bruxy teach that the Bible is errant you should listen to this http://whchurch.org/sermons-media/sermon/the-word-of-god-in-print-and-in-person , and this message (especially the Drive Home podcast) http://www.themeetinghouse.com/teaching/archives/2016/inspired-how-god-speaks-through-scripture/part-3-the-shadow-the-substance-5849

      Here is a collection of quotes from Bruxy’s teaching on the topic of Scripture: https://onceforalldelivered.wordpress.com/2017/04/14/bruxy-caveys-incoherent-view-of-scripture/

      If the Scripture has errors like the one Bruxy accuses them of in Titus 1:12-13 where he accuses Paul of sinful racism, then we have no way of knowing what is true in Scripture and what is not. I addressed that in this article https://onceforalldelivered.wordpress.com/2017/04/14/bruxy-caveys-incoherent-view-of-scripture/

      Here is some Scripture: Romans 16:17-18

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  3. Erik says:

    I’d like to switch “if you truly follow the Bibleyou will follow Jesus”, to “If you truly follow Jesus, you will follow the Bible”. This is what Bruxy teaches and is in line with the teaching of He who fulfilled the scriptures, Jesus Christ. I may not agree with your opinion, but I am thankful for your passion for truth.

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    1. Thanks Erik, the point of my post is that both statements are necessarily true. You cannot follow one and not the other. The Bible is God’s Word in print, and Jesus is God’s Word incarnate. Both are God’s Word, both are to be followed, and it is impossible to follow one and not the other. Bruxy attempts to make a distinction where one does not exist.

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  4. Mark de Graaf says:

    He who begins by loving Christianity more than Truth, will proceed by loving his sect or church better than Christianity, and end in loving himself better than all –
    Coleridge

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    1. Are you saying I love Christianity more than truth (a distinction I reject)? Or are you saying I love myself more than anything else? Can you demonstrate any of this based on what I’ve said?

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  5. Mark de Graaf says:

    Nice conversation with yourself. Have you taken the time to reach out and contact Bruxy and have this conversation with him directly? I’m guessing not. Typical evangelical move. We’re right and you’re wrong and we don’t associate in any form with “those” people.
    I grew up with this crap. I’ve moved on

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    1. Nothing in Scripture requires me to reach out to Bruxy and have a personal conversation. I have notified him of every article I have written. To my knowledge he has not made any attempt to contact me either. I am publicly critiquing Bruxy’s public teaching. The Scriptures command that we expose false teaching and that we separate from those who would teach serious false doctrine. If you don’t like that you have an issue with the Scriptures as revealed by God Himself on that point, not Evangelicalism.

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